Good points all around. Hawk has so many scenes on his own that I wasn't even thinking of the interactions he has with Frank. Just thinking about the scenes following the Briggs breadcrumb trail, something would be lost in terms of an ensemble, like the fun of seeing Bobby's colleagues become a gaggle of flummoxed bystanders in the scene where he uncovers the note from the cylinder.I get the sense that Ontkean dropped out very late when they were gearing up for shooting, and doing a massive structural rewrite would have been too big a burden. They could give Truman’s scenes to Hawk, sure, but then what to do with Hawk’s already substantial arc? To some extent I guess you could combine the two roles into one, but there are also scenes where the two have to interact to get out plot information, so those would have to be completely changed.
I know this is obvious, but there's the richness of the doubling there. The True-men brothers. The very odd/off first Lucy scene with the insurance salesman that hangs over everything and I feel is important in ways that are hard to define with the whole "Which one? It could make a difference!"This has always bugged me. As mentioned, Frost's books kind of correct it. In-unviverse the department was a family matter with Harry & Frank's father being the prior Sheriff.
I always assumed Lynch & Frost had written the part so dead-set with Ontkean in mind that they didn't want to shift everything over to Hawk, even though in-universe Hawk would be a more natural candidate to take up the reigns.
I can't really think of anything that would cause a snag being shifted over to Hawk, though--except, I suppose, the Doris scenes. Hawk & Diane Shapiro, PHD are a power couple after all.
I always took it as a pun. He's a True Man who is Frank, as in honest and direct. Margaret's "true men" punning extending also to first names.Frank Truman…just sounds like some guy’s name. The quirkiness is gone.
The window scene is actually in the film. What TMP adds is the creepy shot of him walking up the path, seeming to robotically look straight at Laura, and then continue on into the house.
It's a short scene for certain. But I love the exchange between Stanley and Cooper.
That scene was short enough, too bad Lynch couldn't squeeze it into the film. Cooper's reaction to Stanley would have added some gravitas to the episode in season 1 when Cooper explains to not give the forensics to Stanley, but to Albert, since Albert has a bit more on the ball.
Oh yeah, that cutaway is perfectly creepy. The quick shot of Mike laughing as he runs away, as well.
Oh man. We’re gonna have another smile-related debate already.I know the script says he's laughing, but I've never been able to really see that. I always thought he was grimacing or wincing.
I think this sort of goes to the idea that both MfAP and Mike WANT Bob out there committing atrocities so they can gather garmonbozia, as we see at the end of the film. They just want him doing it on their terms. I think the ring is a part of that, so Mike is happy once he’s managed to give Laura that tool. Idk, that’s my working theory, based on what we see.Yeah, I honestly can't wrap my head around it. The expression almost seemed kind of like madness to me, or like when something is so horrible you're just losing your shit. But I have read the script and it definitely says he's laughing. And it also cuts to the Little Man/The Arm, who I believe is the one possessing Gerard (I basically call them both Mike), and he seems to be freaking out, and also laughing but looks terrified too. A lot of ambiguous expressions.
Was there a time BOB was ever out there not giving the “garmonbozia” to MIKE?I think this sort of goes to the idea that both MfAP and Mike WANT Bob out there committing atrocities so they can gather garmonbozia, as we see at the end of the film. They just want him doing it on their terms. I think the ring is a part of that, so Mike is happy once he’s managed to give Laura that tool. Idk, that’s my working theory, based on what we see.
I’ve seen many people talk about TMP as superlative or simply an excuse to include more characters from the show, but I don’t often see anyone speaking about how each scene set in TP, when placed where it would in the film, is usually thematically parallel in some way to that day in Laura’s life. I.E. the “two-by-four” scene occurring on the day Bobby and Laura find out the coke “is not what they ordered.”
We can argue about how effective the result is but there’s a very real attempt to execute an “as above so below” approach to the film with these scenes or TP in general that we wouldn’t really get to see executed until season 3.
Allegedly there were supposed to be three films, with Bowie being the lead in the second film (for all I know, this has all been debunked!) so there's material in TMP that could potentially have been used in the next two films before any of the actors became noticeably too much older. That scene with Cooper talking to Diane, for example, could have added Laura Dern as Diane for a flashback in the hypothetical 1996 film, for example. I'd love to visit the parallel universe where CIBY2000 honoured their contract and FWWM didn't get an unwarranted kicking to see what a 1994 and 1996 Twin Peaks film would look like!!That's great. I also think the idea of doing a prequel movie to a tv show that had run its course is pretty out there for the time. I think a lot of those scenes were Lynch genuinely wanting to set stuff up that you see in the pilot, and what a neat idea that would be. When editing I think he realized oh, this could just be a movie, not one long setup.
Certainly when he killed Maddie, right? Mike was hunting for him at that point, so Bob seems to have been rogue.Was there a time BOB was ever out there not giving the “garmonbozia” to MIKE?
One interesting thing is that in The Return, those who die wearing the ring go corporeally to the Red Room (Ray, Mr. C). However, those whose garmonbozia is harvested remain on Earth as corpses (Teresa, Laura). That is assuming that Teresa was still wearing the ring when she died (which I believe she was). I do think Teresa’s soul probably was in the Red Room somewhere, although we never saw her, and I agree with your assessment that Cooper’s experience of the Red Room was subjective to him.I know Teresa Banks had the green ring at one point, but we never see evidence of her in the Red Room, so possibly the ring was removed shortly before she was killed… assuming that all garmonbozia-ed persons get sent to the Red Room. (The fact that Cooper mostly only sees people in the Red Room that he recognizes might speak to the notion that the Lodge is a more subjective space, but that is another post)
Assuming Mike saw the face of God (The Fireman?) and Laura is "the one," what if he smiles because he managed to slip her the ring and keep her from Bob?