SPECULATION Season 4 or something else – What is Wisteria/Unrecorded Night?

[MasterMastermnd]

I'd be ok with another six months of David dropping absurd overdubs of public domain movies.

 

[4815162342]

For another quote:
If it be now ’tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be
now; if it be not now, yet it will come. The
readiness is all. Since no man of aught he leaves
knows, what is ’t to leave betimes? Let be.

For a boring version: the end will come, and it may be now (for the films, I mean), I think it's a miracle we got Season 3 at all, and aging only goes in one direction. If something happens, all the better, but I'm not counting on it.

 

[secretlettermkr]

My question is, why this thread is still called "Season 4 or something else – What is Wisteria/Unrecorded Night?" ?

 

[The_Rememberer]

My dude, sounds to me like there’s a lot of energy divested from hope going on here. I’m just trying to remind everyone that David is someone who has a deep love of creating art and despite his circumstances he will persevere. I’m quite literally trying to discourage the mindset that it’s “game over” and that if the planets align he could still make another film or show or anything else he wants to. It’s not like I’m not disappointed by the circumstances of Unrecorded Night. But I’ve also been through Ronnie Rocket falling through last minute(twice), Dune 2 fizzling out, Venus Descending not getting green lit, One Saliva Bubble getting caught in bankruptcy, Twin Peaks getting cancelled, On the Air flopping, Dream of the Bovine not finding financing, Hotel Room not getting picked up, Mulholland Drive not getting picked up, Snootworld not finding a studio, and even Twin Peaks nearly not happening again at the last moment. These are just the most famous examples of missed opportunities and that’s just life. You can choose to be bitter about it or you can remember that each of these “failures” directly lead to everything that DID happen from Eraserhead to Cellophane Memories and, with my sincerest optimism, many more projects to come.

Yeah I guess, but just remember: He's 78 and half his cast / working partners are dead. So there are actually only so many opportunities available. Am I optimistic? Well, I mean, anything can happen. I agree that it doesn't have to be game over, I think people are simply trying to be realistic. Up until this latest announcement, I was right there with you honestly. What sways me a bit is that David seems very particular about how he works and he's a very involved guy. The remote directing thing is a leap. But who knows

 

[Sparky]

Yeah I guess, but just remember: He's 78 and half his cast / working partners are dead. So there are actually only so many opportunities available. Am I optimistic? Well, I mean, anything can happen. I agree that it doesn't have to be game over, I think people are simply trying to be realistic. Up until this latest announcement, I was right there with you honestly. What sways me a bit is that David seems very particular about how he works and he's a very involved guy. The remote directing thing is a leap. But who knows

What if I told you I intentionally quoted Jodorowsky because he returned to filmmaking at age 84, directed another film at 87, a documentary at 89, and has been very close for the last 6 years to get funding for another film? David Lynch is also a significantly more mainstream director.

I also don’t accept that anything about the mortality of his former cast and crew would have anything to do with a future cast and crew (except something like Twin Peaks). Unless acting and film production becomes illegal.

I think if we’re going to be optimistic we should listen to the man who insists he’ll never retire, has been actively been promoting himself this year in relation to finding funding for projects AFTER his diagnosis, and who is simply cautious and realistic about his health.

 

[Soolsma]

If Lynch were to throw a fundraiser for any type of project. I'd say he'd have a very decent chance to raise an insane amount of money. I wonder if they ever considered this. I'd be so dang sad if another project would fall through due to budget issues.
Also I am seriously wondering whether Snootworld was mostly on the table due to the current health issues.

 

[eyeboogers]

These seems to be a recurring misunderstand that Lynch can only direct remotely. To my eyes, especially in light of the subsequent press release and what Sabrina shared, is that he worst case could even direct remotely - if it comes to that. But I do not think that is where he is at healthwise, he just has to make as sure as possible that everyone on the set is in good health. That is never a sure thing of course, but that is how sets operated in the later parts of the pandemic, and some still do.

 

[Jasper]

The conversation about vegetarian and carnivore diets and so on has been moved to its own thread, HERE..

 

[4815162342]

I still feel this is relevant to the topic from the comparison to Jodorowsky, per wikipedia:
He does not drink or smoke. (And some diet stuff, nevermind that!) Obviously health outcomes are not as simple as that, but just because Jodorowsky did it doesn't mean anything about this situation, he's a different person. Of course it's possible, but, unless Sabrina Sutherland is lying, they are not even in the early stages of any kind of production, so, even if there is another project, how many more are realistic? If it be not now, yet it will come.

 

[The_Rememberer]

I still feel this is relevant to the topic from the comparison to Jodorowsky, per wikipedia:
He does not drink or smoke. (And some diet stuff, nevermind that!) Obviously health outcomes are not as simple as that, but just because Jodorowsky did it doesn't mean anything about this situation, he's a different person. Of course it's possible, but, unless Sabrina Sutherland is lying, they are not even in the early stages of any kind of production, so, even if there is another project, how many more are realistic? If it be not now, yet it will come.

Yes. One hasn't smoked, and the other chain smoked for like 60 years and needs an oxygen tank now apparently. No amount of positive thinking is going to make them comparable. But anyway. My point was: I doubt too many people are chomping at the bit for the next ChrystabellxDavidLynch opus, or sculpture made of dead mice, or Dumbland II. That's all.

 

[james]

Yes. One hasn't smoked, and the other chain smoked for like 60 years and needs an oxygen tank now apparently. No amount of positive thinking is going to make them comparable. But anyway. My point was: I doubt too many people are chomping at the bit for the next ChrystabellxDavidLynch opus, or sculpture made of dead mice, or Dumbland II. That's all.

This was a common misunderstanding which I made also, Lynch doesn't need an oxygen tank, the interview merely said he runs out of oxygen if walking. All that means is his own breathing.

 

[james]

That's great and all, I love that David is an artist and will continue to be that regardless of any challenges.

Still, the majority of us know him and love him for his film work, and even as his film work is inaccessible to many, it's still the most accessible to most of us out of all his works, and more than that, the greatest source of real inspiration and connection to something that feels deeper. I don't really get that from his music, paintings or anything else. And that's ok to feel that way.

I'd say you should be able to feel something deeper looking at his art works. Moreover, I find it hard to believe that you can't get a rich experience of 'pure Lynch' from the two Julee Cruise albums he did and also the soundtrack to the original Twin Peaks plus the Fire Walk with Me one. Also, The Return soundtracks offer a big dive into pure Lynch. (The same is true of all the soundtracks to his films in my view)

 

[Jordan Cole]

I'd say you should be able to feel something deeper looking at his art works. Moreover, I find it hard to believe that you can't get a rich experience of 'pure Lynch' from the two Julee Cruise albums he did and also the soundtrack to the original Twin Peaks plus the Fire Walk with Me one. Also, The Return soundtracks offer a big dive into pure Lynch. (The same is true of all the soundtracks to his films in my view)

Soundtracks are weird.

They often contain music I'd never listen to were it not for the association with the movie or TV show in question. The Twin Peaks soundtracks, which I absolutely love, are in this category for me. I'm not exactly regularly in the habit of putting on spacey jazz instrumentals while driving around.

 

[Sparky]

Yes. One hasn't smoked, and the other chain smoked for like 60 years and needs an oxygen tank now apparently. No amount of positive thinking is going to make them comparable. But anyway. My point was: I doubt too many people are chomping at the bit for the next ChrystabellxDavidLynch opus, or sculpture made of dead mice, or Dumbland II. That's all.

Personally I would repeatedly bounce and shout if someone said there was more Dumbland that I could get my hands on.

 

[The_Rememberer]

I'd say you should be able to feel something deeper looking at his art works. Moreover, I find it hard to believe that you can't get a rich experience of 'pure Lynch' from the two Julee Cruise albums he did and also the soundtrack to the original Twin Peaks plus the Fire Walk with Me one. Also, The Return soundtracks offer a big dive into pure Lynch. (The same is true of all the soundtracks to his films in my view)

Well, with some of it. But it's apples and oranges. Film is such an immersive medium, that has all of that, and more. Art, music, and a storyline. Lynch's film work is some of the only work which often depicts alternate realms and the beings which inhabit them, at least in a way that resonates with me.

Simultaneously, his film and tv works for me are a good conversation piece when meeting new people to say, "this is what I'm into" and talk about their themes together.

I'm particular about what I listen to as well - I've had my TP soundtrack phases or stuff like Chromatics, but aside from that I gravitate toward certain genres and don't tend to deviate from them much.

So, maybe I'm biased.

 

[krishnanspace]

Remedy partners with Annapurna for Control 2 and potential film and TV adaptations

The world of Control is set to expand.

www.theverge.com

Not exactly twin peaks news but I just hope they can get Lynch and Frost for Alan wake or Control movie/ tv series. Both are heavily inspired by Twin peaks and Lynch’s works.

 

[fatecolossal]

Minor tidbit about SNOOTWORLD on today's episode of the Blank Check podcast, fwiw: "I talked to people at a major American animation studio who were like, 'we have the script, we're considering it. I don't even know if he'd direct it. It is very much a straightforward, well-written animated film . It is not a deeply bizarre thing."

Clip is in my post below:

 

[GreatSadness]

These seems to be a recurring misunderstand that Lynch can only direct remotely. To my eyes, especially in light of the subsequent press release and what Sabrina shared, is that he worst case could even direct remotely - if it comes to that. But I do not think that is where he is at healthwise, he just has to make as sure as possible that everyone on the set is in good health. That is never a sure thing of course, but that is how sets operated in the later parts of the pandemic, and some still do.

I think the misunderstanding may be on your part unfortunately. This is the direct quote:

"He would easily be able to direct anything and possibly will in the future as discussions have been made. Do not count him out of anything - he is not retired or anything close to it. He has just been enjoying working on his art and music lately. If wanted to start directing a project today, he could no problem."

She says two things: 1. He's not retired and 2. He can still direct

Nowhere in there does she say or imply that he can direct in-person. Combined with Lynch's quote which was unequivocal that he can't even leave his house much less direct a project in-person. When he says he would direct remotely "if it came to it" what he means is if he was able to get a project off the ground that he wanted to direct himself then he would do it remotely.

Sorry but I don't think there's a lot of gray area here, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Ickles]

For me the gray area would be the specific production in question. Film isn't a one-size-fits-all thing. Yes, if it's a larger series on the scale of TPTR then yeah, it's probably remote or bust. But if it's a smaller IE style thing at his house, at least in part? Not sure why he couldn't shoot in person with Dern or Kale in his backyard on an iPhone or something, with a bare minimum crew of like Sabrina and Austin, etc. I think the implication of Lynch's quote was more in reference to a traditional style production on location or a soundstage, as he probably assumed that is the type of filming being asked about or of interest to the readers of a film magazine. But we know his ideas sometimes take more experimental forms. I mean, he made the Sublime Eternal Love music video with Chrystabell, and granted it's pretty much a couple medium close-ups of her heavily edited into a strobe effect but it's entirely possible he shot that footage of her IRL in his home studio.

 

[Soolsma]

Great to hear there is still interest in Snootworld!
A major animation studio, huh. I hope it will be stylistically unique and interesting. Like, I would not at all mind something with the feel of Fire (Pozar), meets Lynch's paintings, with hints of Dream #7 and the Fireman's.

straightforward
Okay