: - ) ALL All Things Peaks

[eyeboogers]

This is especially interesting given that we've previously heard (I think from Mark Frost) that the last scene was originally meant to open the season premiere. Maybe it was meant to be used as a frame with us first seeing Cooper and Carrie arriving at the house, but only later see who opened the door.

 

[Mr. Reindeer]

This is especially interesting given that we've previously heard (I think from Mark Frost) that the last scene was originally meant to open the season premiere. Maybe it was meant to be used as a frame with us first seeing Cooper and Carrie arriving at the house, but only later see who opened the door.

I don’t think he ever said that? What has been said (by I think Duwayne Dunham) is that the scene that does open the premiere (with Cooper and the Fireman) was originally scripted to be somewhere else much later in the show. I believe Mark has said that, while Lynch changed things in Part 18 like adding the names Richard and Linda, the ending was always the ending.

You can see why the Showtime execs were shocked at Lynch’s proposed price tag if the script was only 420-odd pages. One definitely wouldn’t expect that to turn into an 18-hour epic.

 

[eyeboogers]

I guess I will have to dig through some old quotes, must have been from either Frost or MacLachlan stating that arriving at the Palmer house was supposed to be the opening, I am close to completely sure that I am right about this.

 

[Mr. Reindeer]

I guess I will have to dig through some old quotes, must have been from either Frost or MacLachlan stating that arriving at the Palmer house was supposed to be the opening, I am close to completely sure that I am right about this.

I have some vague recollection of that being a rumor at some point, but I don’t recall any reputable source actually saying it. Might be wrong, but I think it’s the sort of thing I’d remember if I’d read any reliable source for it. And I’m pretty sure Mark has said the exact opposite (i.e., that the ending was always the ending)...possibly in that interview where he compared TR ending to The Sopranos ending.

 

[Ickles]

Random and apologies if this is elsewhere but recently in the U.S. Paramount Plus added a Showtime optional bundle to their premium platform and you can stream all Paramount stuff and Showtime stuff in the same app. That means that finally the original seasons 1 and 2 and The Return are all in one place.

 

[Tulpa]

I think this scene was first to be shot rather than first to be presented.

Random and apologies if this is elsewhere but recently in the U.S. Paramount Plus added a Showtime optional bundle to their premium platform and you can stream all Paramount stuff and Showtime stuff in the same app. That means that finally the original seasons 1 and 2 and The Return are all in one place.

That's what this thread is for!

 

[Mr. Reindeer]

I think this scene was first to be shot rather than first to be presented.

Definitely not first to be shot either. It was about a month into production, toward the tail end of the Washington shoot. I’ll shamelessly link to the production timeline I cobbled together from various sources (mostly the Blu Ray documentaries): Season 3 Production Schedule - World of Blue - Archived Forum 2007-2022

It was of course the most highly publicized portion of the filming, leaked in many entertainment sites and publications at the time, so it was for many of us the first thing we saw of The Return.

 

[Tulpa]

Random and apologies if this is elsewhere but recently in the U.S. Paramount Plus added a Showtime optional bundle to their premium platform and you can stream all Paramount stuff and Showtime stuff in the same app. That means that finally the original seasons 1 and 2 and The Return are all in one place.

Odd that they removed The Return from Showtime when the latter is still available as a standalone service. Anyone with a P+ subscription able to confirm S3's on there now?

 

[Ickles]

Odd that they removed The Return from Showtime when the latter is still available as a standalone service. Anyone with a P+ subscription able to confirm S3's on there now?

It is. I signed up for P+ with Showtime this weekend and S1, S2 & S3 are all available now.

 

[MasterMastermnd]

Could it be the script is 590 pages and those are pages 419 and 420? If so, very interesting to consider why that scene would have originally been that early in the script.

 

[Tulpa]

It is. I signed up for P+ with Showtime this weekend and S1, S2 & S3 are all available now.

How's it organized? Is it all as one series or is S3 part of a seperate Showtime section?

 

[Ickles]

They are 2 separate listings, Original Series and the Return.

 

[Mr. Reindeer]

Could it be the script is 590 pages and those are pages 419 and 420? If so, very interesting to consider why that scene would have originally been that early in the script.

I believe 590 is the scene number, per typical script formatting.

 

[Tulpa]

I believe 590 is the scene number, per typical script formatting.

If that's scene number then it isn't typical script formatting.

 

[MasterMastermnd]

I don't number my scenes when I write screenplays but when I do see screenplays like that the numbers are typically in the scene header.

 

[Mr. Reindeer]

Typically, at least for television, the scene number is written as the scene header, and then also at the top of each new page that the scene continues on (usually with some form of the word “cont’d”). Here’s the TP script for Episode 6 which observes this practice: Rare 2nd Draft Script To Twin Peaks #006!!

Just as another random example, here’s a Lost script which observes the format seen on the script page of TR of putting the scene number on both sides of the page beneath the page number: http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/103_whiterabbit_pink.pdf

 

[MasterMastermnd]

Looking again, you can indeed see the 590 number on both ends of the page, confirming it is scene 590 on those pages. I'd legit never noticed this before with teleplay formatting!

 

[Mr. Reindeer]

This is such a minor point, but I’ve been kind of fascinated since my 2020 rewatch that Cooper at both Carrie’s house and the Palmer/Reber house seems to consider using the doorbell, then doesn’t, and knocks instead. I have no idea what to make of this (although it calls to mind the Part 16 “title” “No knock, no doorbell”), but I’ve always felt it was a conscious decision by Lynch. Interesting then that in the script pages Reber posted, Cooper DOES both ring the doorbell and knock, but Lynch presumably decided to cut the ring.

 

[Dom]

After buying Arrow's Dune release, I realised how much I missed Lynch's work, which I drifted away from after season three of Twin Peaks. In the last five years, my life has been through huge changes and my perspective about things has shifted drastically, so I plan to watch Lynch's complete oeuvre again.

Today, I ordered the UK Criterion FWWM release, as it's dropped below £20 on Amazon. It got me thinking that maybe we should develop a thread for all the many home media releases of Twin Peaks, what's on them and what's different between each, along with known issues.

Getting rid of my past Twin Peaks and other Lynch discs years ago wasn't solely to do with season three: I wanted definitive versions. There were significant issues with the Complete Mystery set, notably audio sync drift. The version of FWWM in that set also had sync issues, as did The Missing Pieces. So, I'm hoping Criterion's encode has taken care of these issues for FWWM and its extras. I also like that FWWM has a separate release. It's a movie - one of my favourite movies, outside of the TV show connections - that belongs on my movie shelf, not buried in a set amidst all the TV Blu-rays.

I'm also going to buy the complete seasons 1-3 set soon, when the price drops a bit and hope the sync issues are better this time. I might find I still don't like season three, but its existence is a fait accompli now and I'll watch it straight through this time, rather than being drip-fed it once a week on Now TV with broadcast speed up. Frankly, its the sort of series where I'd rather watch one episode a day.

So, editions I've owned...

Off the top of my head, here in the UK, I've owned the international version of the pilot on VHS from the early 1990s (drawn cover with James Hurley on his motorbike), the UK season one DVD set from around 2000, the main episodes of which had a rather warm colour scheme, and had a washed-out German-sourced broadcast version of the pilot bundled in with it. I had a US import of the Gold Box set, which had audio sync issues, and the Complete Mystery (cardboard and tracing paper) Blu-ray set, which was rife with sync errors, meaning I had to switch my player to 60i to reduce the issues.

With FWWM, I owned the Guild VHS release (with PAL speedup) on the day of release. It was pan and scanned and had very muffled audio due to it being recorded very quietly (and likely at double speed). I had to turn the volume on the TV right up and it was very hiss, so lot of the subtle sounds were lost, notably in the Teresa Banks autopsy scene. I bought the 2Entertain DVD with PAL speedup in 2007 and the Universal Blu-ray set with European broadcast speed-up in about 2012. Then, I obviously had the Complete Mystery version with its sync errors.

 

[MasterMastermnd]

I feel so lucky my set didn't have the audio drift. Criterion or somebody needs to put out a nice Lost Highway set because I desperately need to upgrade that