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Rolling thread for casual chat on all things Twin Peaks.

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The bits with him and Andy/Dick were fine. They should have left it at that for one episode. Would have worked as kind of quirky, if still not the best subplot. It just got more embarrassing as it went on.
 
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It's a shame we never got Dick back (even if we got a reference to his line - probably unintentional). Imagine the entrance he would have made in The Return, swooping in somewhere.

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Joshua Harris was in a lot of stuff back then and wasn't a bad kid actor. With a defter touch and dare I say, Lynch's hand, they could've drawn an interesting parallel between a traumatized and dangerous child emerging from a comic relief B-plot to Laura's own struggle! But that did not occur.

I forgave almost anything back then on account of Ian Buchanan though, who was absolutely hilarious and is still going strong today. I would love to see him cameo if S4 ever happens, though knowing the state of things Dick would appear on an oxygen tank gasping his last. (This is not a knock on S3 to be clear, which I largely loved)
 
It would have been great if the writers had had that insight regarding parallels to Little Nicky and Laura - and good point about the nature of The Return and Dick. He may not have fit into that narrative. I wouldn't mind a somewhat weather-beaten Dick ravaged a bit by time, but I'd still like him to be his good old rambunctious self too - and would like them to leave him mostly unchanged as a tribute to his earlier role and the one he played in "On the Air" too (Lester Guy). I liked Dick mostly because he was the first of that kind of character to appear relatively early into the show - whereas had he appeared in the mid Season 2 stretch or closer to it (like Lana, whom I loathe) I probably would've been as open to the character. I liked the Lucy, Andy, Dick stuff for the most part but can see why others might hate it or find it too distracting/too silly/too mid-Season 2 stuff and some of those sideline plots are often cited by people who point out those kind of stories appeared earlier in the series than the slump episodes after 14, something I'm often surprised by too on rewatching as I tend to forget those stories started earlier on.

So yeah, maybe Dick (who only ever featured in mostly lighter fare) wouldn't have fit in with the darker side of the town we saw in The Return. Then again, a lot of The Return featured (imo) silly mid Season 2 style stuff (the bumbling cops/Vegas goons) and then we had Dougie, Candy, and Jerry spent most of his time running through the woods and stoned, talking to his silly squeaky-voiced foot - so I think it could have accommodated a sideplot of Dick gleefully running through town, blissfully unaware of (or more likely pretending to be unaware of) all the drug use and degradation, hosting wine tastings, perhaps trying unsuccessfully to launch a revival of Miss Twin Peaks. Or we could have seen him living in the grim trailer park but acting like he lived somewhere much more refined. (Eh, maybe not on that last one.)
 
I seem to recall Dick's mentions in Frost's books being a bit akin to what you mentioned at the end - the small town yokel trying to be an aristocrat still. I'd be happy to see him in any form. But I admittedly loved the comedy in S3, and much of the comedy in S2 that a lot of people despise, like the pine weasel and even a fair amount of Civil War Ben and Teen Nadine until those storylines overtake whole episodes (Mike and Nadine should really get back together). Of course I'm a dreamer, since I'm still holding out for seeing Harriet Hayward again.

Maybe Dick can have partnered with the Mitchums on a new casino in Twin Peaks or just across the country line, and he is Candie's new Svengali, unaware of course of her obvious connection to the White Lodge.
 
N. Needleman said:
Of course I'm a dreamer, since I'm still holding out for seeing Harriet Hayward again.
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I would love this - Jessica Wallenfels for the win! But after seeing what happened to Gersten, I'd be wary. I'd love to see all three Hayward sisters and their mother, though, even with Donna back in town. Lot of untapped potential in those characters and actresses too.
 
N. Needleman said:
But I admittedly loved the comedy in S3, and much of the comedy in S2 that a lot of people despise, like the pine weasel and even a fair amount of Civil War Ben and Teen Nadine until those storylines overtake whole episodes (Mike and Nadine should really get back together).
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This is a great point - the comedy was mostly fine until it overtook whole episodes as you say. It worked better as quirky side stories/B or even C plots, just stuff going on in the background sometimes. I like a lot of that stuff in early (and some mid) S2 (I liked the Nadine/Mike stuff at the hotel). I'm much more mixed on the humour in both mid-Season 2 and The Return, the latter of which reminded me a lot of the (imo) weaker stuff in Mulholland Drive (I think that film would have been even more amazing if it focused more on the two women and the central mystery, some of the side stuff was fine - but I didn't need the hitman bit or the bumbling goons). I will say I was just surprised how much of that style of wacky (and sometimes, again imo, unfunny) stuff was in The Return (the little hitman, the woman's reaction to the puking kid, the bumbling goons, the lady with the little dog, Jerry's foot, it goes on and on) given Lynch said a lot recently how he hated Season 2 (though praised the Diane Keaton episode back in the day) and presumably for the reason of it going off the rails and the mid-Season 2 slump, yet all of that kind of stuff was back in S3, when I had been expecting a much more serious, darker version of the show. I was even surprised (but delighted) to see Denise again, another character I thought would not have fit The Return.
 
N. Needleman said:
I seem to recall Dick's mentions in Frost's books being a bit akin to what you mentioned at the end - the small town yokel trying to be an aristocrat still.
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Actually, I’m 99% certain Dick is never mentioned in either Frost book. I took note at the time that Dick is probably the most major character from the original series who didn’t get a single mention in either TR or Mark’s tie-in books.

Although, of course, Wally is clearly his kid. So he’s generically present. ;)
 
Jonah said:
I will say I was just surprised how much of that style of wacky (and sometimes, again imo, unfunny) stuff was in The Return (the little hitman, the woman's reaction to the puking kid, the bumbling goons, the lady with the little dog, Jerry's foot, it goes on and on) given Lynch said a lot recently how he hated Season 2 (though praised the Diane Keaton episode back in the day) and presumably for the reason of it going off the rails and the mid-Season 2 slump, yet all of that kind of stuff was back in S3, when I had been expecting a much more serious, darker version of the show. I was even surprised (but delighted) to see Denise again, another character I thought would not have fit The Return.
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We've talked about it a lot over the years, but I think Lynch, just as in Lost Highway, likes to remember things his own way, not the way they happened. He was more involved in S2 than he now claims, we know that from the actors and staff's own words. But the experience of the show being interfered with and the backstage strife clearly hurt him deeply, and that colors his entire perception of it today. That's understandable to me.

I do think the show got off-track in a lot of ways, but I still adore a lot of S2 - it might still be my favorite season, for the first half with the WKLP mystery and the final 4-5 episodes alone. But it also gave us a deeper, more expansive look at the town, warts and all, and I love that. And yes, I love the wacky comedy in S3. (And that he brought Denise back)
 
Haha, that’s great. And yeah, I agree with you that Wally is probably Andy’s (hence my winky face). Or at least, I’d like to believe he is. But his somewhat pretentious and loquacious nature does leave that seed of doubt...
 
N. Needleman said:
We've talked about it a lot over the years, but I think Lynch, just as in Lost Highway, likes to remember things his own way, not the way they happened. He was more involved in S2 than he now claims, we know that from the actors and staff's own words. But the experience of the show being interfered with and the backstage strife clearly hurt him deeply, and that colors his entire perception of it today. That's understandable to me.

I do think the show got off-track in a lot of ways, but I still adore a lot of S2 - it might still be my favorite season, for the first half with the WKLP mystery and the final 4-5 episodes alone. But it also gave us a deeper, more expansive look at the town, warts and all, and I love that. And yes, I love the wacky comedy in S3. (And that he brought Denise back)
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I often wonder about that.
To which extend was Lynch involved during the so called 'season 2 slump'.
Did he read the scripts, did he give any pointers, was he involved in casting...
 
I forgot to say in the Josie drawer pull thread (I'll add it) that it was Lynch's idea. I think he phoned it in (i.e. made the request by phone). He also hired Annette McCarthy who played Evelyn (@brad interviewed her for his book about how much Lynch was in set), commented on and praised Diane Keaton's episode (!), and made a note that WIndom Earle would look better in an FBI suit. The latter might have been closer to the end of the run, but he was definitely still overseeing things and phoning in suggestions, even if from afar. I think he was quite present, though, also guesting as Gordon Cole before he returned to direct Episode 29.
 

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